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	<title>Comments on: Do You Really Want To Live Forever?</title>
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		<title>By: Lionel Vogt</title>
		<link>http://radarmasukami.com/2008/08/04/do-you-really-want-to-live-forever/#comment-298</link>
		<dc:creator>Lionel Vogt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 10:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simply said I would love to debate this question.  Sadly however it seems that whenever I talk about living forever the big three arguments seem to pop up. A) Boredom" I would get bored with living.  B) It is selfish to want more life than is "natural" And C) Life would have no meaning without death. There is a fourth argument concerning god(s) But I will stick to the practical ones and my answer to them. 

A) I would get bored with life.... My answer to this is two fold and is answered with a question "why arnt you bored now?" and the same answer answers their statement "well there are still things I haven't done and want to do/build/create ect. there will always be another level. and given the technology that would eventually advance us into new forms as well. I imagine one day my brain could be placed in a vessel that would allow me to have a custom designed body to enjoy flight or to feel the sands of mars between my toes. And that doesn't even include the advancments in memory and cognitive abilitys.. so no Its going to take a very long time for me or anyone to get bored. Playstation 400 anyone? 

B)"Its selfish to want more life than it is natural to have". To this I simply ask please define a "natural" lifespan.  If you were to go back 500 years or as little as 200  and tell people then that people of this age live well into their 80's and 90's they too would screech about how unnatural and demonic it was to extend life to those ages. it is funny how the idea of a "natural" lifespan shifts as medical technology does. But as to the question of "selfish" itself, that is a blanket statement. If you could give Davinci or Mozart or any person who wanted to bring wonder and beauty to this world an extended lifespan, would you?. and if they remained creators and builders and healers would you "pull the plug" because it was selfish?

C)"life has no meaning without death"  This is where the rubber meets the road. Define your life and your reason for doing things because you are going to die. That the push to do the things you did was so someone might remember you. Ultimately this is a hollow ideal and defining the meaning of your exsistance by these terms means you are no better than any animal that chooses to procreate to continue the gene pool. It means we are no better than animals in our desire to move forward. That death looms as a specter to prod us and we cannot move forward on our own for the sake of becoming better or making this world as close to a heaven as we can.  
   
Lastly I will touch one other "practical" reason given " we will overpopulate the earth and kill it " 

This is a hollow warning since it is going to happen anyways. we had better stop breeding like rabbits and consider other places to live. With the medical technology of today. if we froze it in place with no more advancements ever again, it is going to happen anyways, so the big social change for us a human beings is coming one way or another.

Just something to counter the sacred deathist culture we have 

Lionel 

Transhumanist</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simply said I would love to debate this question.  Sadly however it seems that whenever I talk about living forever the big three arguments seem to pop up. A) Boredom&#8221; I would get bored with living.  B) It is selfish to want more life than is &#8220;natural&#8221; And C) Life would have no meaning without death. There is a fourth argument concerning god(s) But I will stick to the practical ones and my answer to them. </p>
<p>A) I would get bored with life&#8230;. My answer to this is two fold and is answered with a question &#8220;why arnt you bored now?&#8221; and the same answer answers their statement &#8220;well there are still things I haven&#8217;t done and want to do/build/create ect. there will always be another level. and given the technology that would eventually advance us into new forms as well. I imagine one day my brain could be placed in a vessel that would allow me to have a custom designed body to enjoy flight or to feel the sands of mars between my toes. And that doesn&#8217;t even include the advancments in memory and cognitive abilitys.. so no Its going to take a very long time for me or anyone to get bored. Playstation 400 anyone? </p>
<p>B)&#8221;Its selfish to want more life than it is natural to have&#8221;. To this I simply ask please define a &#8220;natural&#8221; lifespan.  If you were to go back 500 years or as little as 200  and tell people then that people of this age live well into their 80&#8217;s and 90&#8217;s they too would screech about how unnatural and demonic it was to extend life to those ages. it is funny how the idea of a &#8220;natural&#8221; lifespan shifts as medical technology does. But as to the question of &#8220;selfish&#8221; itself, that is a blanket statement. If you could give Davinci or Mozart or any person who wanted to bring wonder and beauty to this world an extended lifespan, would you?. and if they remained creators and builders and healers would you &#8220;pull the plug&#8221; because it was selfish?</p>
<p>C)&#8221;life has no meaning without death&#8221;  This is where the rubber meets the road. Define your life and your reason for doing things because you are going to die. That the push to do the things you did was so someone might remember you. Ultimately this is a hollow ideal and defining the meaning of your exsistance by these terms means you are no better than any animal that chooses to procreate to continue the gene pool. It means we are no better than animals in our desire to move forward. That death looms as a specter to prod us and we cannot move forward on our own for the sake of becoming better or making this world as close to a heaven as we can.  </p>
<p>Lastly I will touch one other &#8220;practical&#8221; reason given &#8221; we will overpopulate the earth and kill it &#8221; </p>
<p>This is a hollow warning since it is going to happen anyways. we had better stop breeding like rabbits and consider other places to live. With the medical technology of today. if we froze it in place with no more advancements ever again, it is going to happen anyways, so the big social change for us a human beings is coming one way or another.</p>
<p>Just something to counter the sacred deathist culture we have </p>
<p>Lionel </p>
<p>Transhumanist</p>
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		<title>By: Keeme</title>
		<link>http://radarmasukami.com/2008/08/04/do-you-really-want-to-live-forever/#comment-260</link>
		<dc:creator>Keeme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weird... I was talking about this on the latest episode of our podcast. I agree and all that jazz.... I would like to actually see our avatars die (or for those who wish it). Here is my suggestion/requirements 
Must be at least 2 years 
And sign off on an agreement (extra mumbo jumbo)
Send a letter to all on your friends list as to why and when... have a going away party. 
Then the comes
you die
you are off line for one full week
you return and are a new avi (you get to keep all your stuff). 
You get a new name and start off on REREZZED ISLAND (no bitching allowed).

Keeme</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weird&#8230; I was talking about this on the latest episode of our podcast. I agree and all that jazz&#8230;. I would like to actually see our avatars die (or for those who wish it). Here is my suggestion/requirements<br />
Must be at least 2 years<br />
And sign off on an agreement (extra mumbo jumbo)<br />
Send a letter to all on your friends list as to why and when&#8230; have a going away party.<br />
Then the comes<br />
you die<br />
you are off line for one full week<br />
you return and are a new avi (you get to keep all your stuff).<br />
You get a new name and start off on REREZZED ISLAND (no bitching allowed).</p>
<p>Keeme</p>
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		<title>By: ANIMA</title>
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		<dc:creator>ANIMA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this world is becoming a nuttier and nuttier place - i can see how some folks (egomaniacs?) might find it appealing to live forever through regenerative medicine, but not me. I will be satisfied to live this life fully, and when my quality of life starts to degrade too much, I hope it ends quickly and gracefully. 

I was brought up to having to share with my brother, and that policy has worked pretty good when applied to my adult life, too: I don't feel I am owed a larger piece of life than what will come my way naturally...

az</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this world is becoming a nuttier and nuttier place - i can see how some folks (egomaniacs?) might find it appealing to live forever through regenerative medicine, but not me. I will be satisfied to live this life fully, and when my quality of life starts to degrade too much, I hope it ends quickly and gracefully. </p>
<p>I was brought up to having to share with my brother, and that policy has worked pretty good when applied to my adult life, too: I don&#8217;t feel I am owed a larger piece of life than what will come my way naturally&#8230;</p>
<p>az</p>
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